Ask E. Jean - Tormented? Driven Witless? Whipsawed by confusion?

Advice Vixens


Dolls, let's make a little money. I propose we Vixens and Vixmen write our own chick flick based on Advice Vixens.

I'll start with a few notes for characters and few ideas for plots. Then each Vixen/Vixman can come in with bits of dialogue, new characters, plot points, notes, etc, etc.

We keep the thread going.

First we decide on the characters.

Then we outline the story.

Then we write the first scene with dialogue. Then the next and so on.

We build the story. We make it bold, smart, juicy-----real. NOT STUPID. (We won't have two brides wrestling on the floor, for instance).

If we can get it into shape, I will try and sell it. ("Try" being the operative word.) We will divide the money as following: We each get a percentage based on the work we put in.

I.E. If some one spends each day coming up with genius bits of dialogue, that person will receive a higher proportion of the money, than the person who pops in every couple days with a note.

Agreed?

I will ask Miss Shamsi to make us a new category for SCREENPLAY.

Now, I will throw it open for discussion. Anybody want to add anything before we start???

Just to brush up on some great chick flicks here is a
primer----it is extremely entertaining AND edifying!
VIXEN MOVIE

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    It could be a sequel to 'What Women Want" But it will be called "What Men Want"

    It will be about a woman who can hear the thoughts of men, and all she can hear is "HAMBURGERSSSS" and "I WANT TO GET MY EFF ON" over and over and over.

    jk



    sounds like fun E. Jean.

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    Miss E. Jean, I wish you the best of luck with this project; I hope it makes you and any Vixpeeps who work on it rich beyond the dreams of avarice!

    But, my pom-poms and I will be cheering from the sidelines because after all of my years writing TV, this kind of round-table collaboration is my own personal idea of Hell.

    I hope the rest of you have a blast, though, and am sending huge buckets of creative love and support!

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    Hmm...well we have to consider the plot versus what it is actually 'about'.

    If it is a movie based on romance; The stakes have to be high. So, there needs to be something like a time limit - someone falls for someone who is dying, the world is about to end, or something is restricting the romance (like in Romeo and Juliet)

    It could take place in a retirement home. I know major block busters are quite ageist. But in art, you're allowed to make a love movie about senior citizens.

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    Speaking as someone who sometimes cant log on, it would be lovely to read :-)

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    It can be 'about' this:
    The future does not always need to be our heart's goal.

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    Okay. So I want to participate only I've never written anything close to a screenplay and I have a hard time playing make believe. (I tend to be too literal, but I am working on it.)

    I will go with the lead. I follow well. Just set the stage and let me know when.

    And Andrew--I can't wait to see what you come up with, as you are my favorite for fun and variety!

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    I say the Vixens get caught in some kind of nuclear explosion and instead of dying we become superheros (because we're THAT AWESOME.) It can be the first chick flick/superhero movie! Woo, mixing genres!

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    A lot of Shakespeare-heads will tell you that it does not matter what his stories are about. It is his words and images that make them great.

    Let's go through some old AV questions and see which ones sound cinematic. Then ask if we can use it as a base.
    True stories are always fun to write around.



    I hate to be chauvinistic; but, I have always wanted to see a Sex in the City-type thing about men.

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    I have written a lot and can contribute but I have a lot of trouble with the screenplay format so if just writing is okay and I think I can contribute, I will.

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    Lacy wrote: Okay. So I want to participate only I've never written anything close to a screenplay and I have a hard time playing make believe. (I tend to be too literal, but I am working on it.) I will go with the lead. I follow well. Just set the stage and let me know when. And Andrew--I can't wait to see what you come up with, as you are my favorite for fun and variety!

    cool new pic Lacy!

    I'm going to write the "What Men Want" one today. And I'll toss it your way.




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    I think it would be good to center it around the website, with various plots unfolding from the interactions here. Just off the top of my head:

    **The Ervin-Sam connection

    **The Betty-Anon breakup

    **The Anon rabble-rouser who becomes crazier and crazier, and more threateing, and eventually starts trying to mess with people's off-line lives.

    **The Miss Beth--Bee meetup, and mutual support from one Mom to another

    **Make it a Vixen who sends Brynne Chinese Food.

    etc. etc.


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    Andrew Hunt wrote: cool new pic Lacy! I'm going to write the "What Men Want" one today. And I'll toss it your way.

    I want to see it!

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    Andrew Hunt wrote: cool new pic Lacy! I'm going to write the "What Men Want" one today. And I'll toss it your way.

    Andrew, that's not what you said. You changed it. I was commenting on wanting to see your "What men want" not my cool new pic.

    But thank you. I went through all my pics and this is the only one I came up with that doesn't make me look twelve. I have a desire for people to take me seriously. Ha ha. As if that will ever happen.

    Anyway. Thanks!

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    This is the most creative idea ever. There's nothing like a good brainstorm team to make magic happen. Best of luck...not that you'll need it. There are more than enough creative minds on this website!

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    Andrew Hunt wrote: cool new pic Lacy! I'm going to write the "What Men Want" one today. And I'll toss it your way.

    You changed it again! :-)

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    Thank you Miss Beth. And on a more serious note: Where have you been! I was starting to get worried!

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    Cynthia wrote: I think it would be good to center it around the website, with various plots unfolding from the interactions here. Just off the top of my head: **The Ervin-Sam connection **The Betty-Anon breakup **The Anon rabble-rouser who becomes crazier and crazier, and more threateing, and eventually starts trying to mess with people's off-line lives. **The Miss Beth--Bee meetup, and mutual support from one Mom to another **Make it a Vixen who sends Brynne Chinese Food. etc. etc.

    And don't forget how I am going to go see "C" this Wednesday at a comedy club here in Sherman Oaks. She does stand up and I am excited.

    Also, C, Brynne, and I and anyone else who wants to join us, are meeting up in the next few weeks.

    Relationships are always great in chick flicks. There has to be a break-up, and then a re-uniting. Movies that end with the couple apart are the worst movies.

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    Here is a time limit idea.

    A 70 year old scientists secretly designs the "Perfect" woman for him - by altering the genes of someone else's fertilized egg.

    He removes himself from the child's life until she is of legal age.
    He then decides to pursue his ideal woman.

    He has researched her and realized, she is everything he had planned: The same interests. The same ambitions. The same sense of humor. And she is STUNNING.

    But how can a 90-year-old convince her (a 20 year-old) to love him before it is too late?
    "Yes you are engaged. And yes I am dying. But don't you realize...I MADE you."

    haha
    seemed less creepy in my head.

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    I love the idea. I can't wait to read and will contribute if I can. I think the money ideas sounds very fair.

    p.s. It can't be just some vixens stories b/c then it'd be SATC or Desparate Housewives or a reality t.v. script.

    I also agree that the "crazy anon" spinning out of control is def needed.

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    Andrew Hunt wrote: Here is a time limit idea. A 70 year old scientists secretly designs the "Perfect" woman for him - by altering the genes of someone else's fertilized egg. He removes himself from the child's life until she is of legal age. He then decides to pursue his ideal woman. He has researched her and realized, she is everything he had planned: The same interests. The same ambitions. The same sense of humor. And she is STUNNING. But how can a 90-year-old convince her (a 20 year-old) to love him before it is too late? "Yes you are engaged. And yes I am dying. But don't you realize...I MADE you." haha seemed less creepy in my head.

    Yah, that is creepy. Reminds me of Weird Science. But good job. Ideas are good! Keep them coming.

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    Money split is good. More money for more contribution. Great incentive to work hard!

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    Here is a scene from Adaptation about voiceover...
    ...not putting the idea down...just thought it was funny and suiting.
    (This is my favorite movie)
    check it out


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    I actually like Andrew's idea. It's a little bit Edward Scissorhands plus romance. To keep it from being too sci-fi we should include philosophical undertones in regard to what the perfect woman actually is and how we come to those conclusions as individuals and as a society. I think it would be really interesting in the initial scenes while he's developing this woman if it flashed back to women with whom he had relationships in the past. I'm seeing things like the scientist saying something like, "she should cook" and then it flashing back to a scene with him and a past girlfriend in a kitchen, whipping something up together. Then something like "a sense of humor" and it will flash to him and a woman laughing, telling off-color jokes or something across a dinner table. "An insatiable sex drive" and him with another woman having a rip roaring time in bed."

    Another possible option is that he bases this "perfect woman" after the one that got away. He knows he can't have her back so he becomes completely consumed with developing this "perfect" woman in her image. Perhaps at the end this old man won't be pleased with the woman he created because she's too young and he no longer looks for those same qualities he once did as he grows older and wiser. Then at the end he could have a choice between his perfect woman and the real one that got away after running into her at the grocery store and finding out she's been recently widowed.


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    A phone sex operator is incredibly awkward in real life, but a sex goddess on the phone. She has a male best friend who is equally awkward. Unbeknownst to them, they have been having phone sex with each other for months--and with great success for both of them. Unfortunately, when they realize that they've been having phone sex with each other, things become so awkward that it ruins their friendship--until they end of the movie, when he calls her and she begrudgingly plays along...there is a knock at the door, he's there on his cellphone, they hang up and have the kinkiest most awesome sex ever, and live happily ever after in their dungeon of sin.

    C'mon guys--I can't let my wacky job go to waste! It must inspire a chick flick!

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    Y
    I think it needs to be like Love Actually, especially because so many of the Vixens have met. You could tie it in with a narrator as well.

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    Brittney wrote: I actually like Andrew's idea. It's a little bit Edward Scissorhands plus romance. To keep it from being too sci-fi we should include philosophical undertones in regard to what the perfect woman actually is and how we come to those conclusions as individuals and as a society. I think it would be really interesting in the initial scenes while he's developing this woman if it flashed back to women with whom he had relationships in the past. I'm seeing things like the scientist saying something like, "she should cook" and then it flashing back to a scene with him and a past girlfriend in a kitchen, whipping something up together. Then something like "a sense of humor" and it will flash to him and a woman laughing, telling off-color jokes or something across a dinner table. "An insatiable sex drive" and him with another woman having a rip roaring time in bed." Another possible option is that he bases this "perfect woman" after the one that got away. He knows he can't have her back so he becomes completely consumed with developing this "perfect" woman in her image. Perhaps at the end this old man won't be pleased with the woman he created because she's too young and he no longer looks for those same qualities he once did as he grows older and wiser. Then at the end he could have a choice between his perfect woman and the real one that got away after running into her at the grocery store and finding out she's been recently widowed.

    I think it's a good idea for a movie, but it isn't a chick flick--it's told through the "male gaze." Chick flick, almost by definition (I'm sure there are a few exceptions) should have a woman as the central character.

    Par example: Big fish would absolutely, 100% be a chick flick if they told the exact same story about a mother and daughter--but it was father and son, so it was just a movie--because men have convinced themselves that women have cooties and watching a movie with a female main character will tear their penis from their groin.

    Point being--chick flick implies a female lead. Two strong supporting actresses does not a chick flick make.

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    A witty narrator is a great idea...E should definitely do that.

    I like those stories with intertwining sub stories...i.e. He's just not that in to you.

    Why not base it on the actual conundrums that folks come to you with?

    Fade in

    Love lorn girl writing a letter to E...
    woman's voice over reading her dilemma and then go about showing her issue

    do a six degrees of seperation thing and have all of the characters be connected somehow...


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    Way to blow up my spot! Haha just kidding, you know I love you! Let's hang out soon!

    During my hair cut, I'm totally going to think about script ideas Ms E. Jean! I totally want in on this!

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    Thanks E. Jean. Just a few more details.

    To downplay the creep factor and have it deal with real life issues maybe the scientist could be 40 or 50 instead of 70 or 90. The movie could then dually act as a discussion about what older, successful men see in young women besides perky tits and a taut ass. While there would be no outward dialogue about this obviously, we could see the scientist struggling with the sort of activities his 20-year-old dream woman would like to take part in.

    For instance, one of his requirements for the dream woman is that she's fit and loves nature. We could see them on a date where she's jogging energetically up a hiking trails and he's out of breath begging her to cool down and bird watch.


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    Oops, okay just saw that second post.

    What if we did tell the story from the females point of view. It could start with the scientist creating her and then the vantage point would shift. We see the scientist trying to pursue her and she struggling with him not being able to keep up with her etc. She has no idea she's his science experiment and while she feels the tremendous attraction to this older man, there's another man her own age who maybe doesn't have a million things in common with her, but makes her feel alive and challenges her instead of constantly idolizing her. Perhaps he's not as established as the scientist but there's something exhilarating about their relationship that's chemical and intense but not so scientific.

    They're not matching up on E-Harmony's 29 levels of love or anything but they're falling for each other anyway?

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    Ooh, I love the intertwining stories as well. Let's get to thinking on these characters.

    I think this love-lorn vixen writing to the advice column should actually be an object of multiple affections. Tell me if this is too trite, but she has the male best friend, the co-worker, a neighbor etc. all desiring her.

    The problem at the start of this story is that she's living with some self-involved artist (maybe a painter or an actor or a musician). I the earliest stages of their relationship he's completely enamored with her but more as an extension of his own ego. When people are more drawn to her charm and electricity than his self-important rants he begins to resent her and attempts to diminish her confidence.

    After some years together it works and by the time he breaks it off with her, she's incredibly down on herself and isn't able to see how other people perceive her.

    The plot will show her regaining her confidence by regaining interest in the world. Her new attitude to allow her to see what the other people in her life were seeing the whole time.

    She and the advice columnist will have a non-stop correspondence with each other where she introduces new characters to her and the advice columnist tells her how to proceed.

    The replies from the vixen could originally be in the traditional "Dear Down in the Dumps" style and by the end be incredibly casual. Like the vixen just saying "Tear his pants off!"

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    I'm thinking a chick flick version of fight club...
    You know how fight club basically makes fun society and what we view as important...
    We could have a story that explores the human condition by exposing some of the rather silly ways we (men and women) act within relationships...It would be totally driven by the sarcasm and wit of the narrator...she'd be the all knowing fly on the wall for each and every situation presented in the story and she's interject smart ass comments about the characters etc etc...

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    Y wrote: I think it needs to be like Love Actually, especially because so many of the Vixens have met. You could tie it in with a narrator as well.

    Yes. Multiple stories within one story. But maybe not rated R. We want the movie available to all women and girls alike. Beth should be able to take her daughter.

    I find that PG-13 movies do better overall because more people can see them.

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    Brian wrote: I'm thinking a chick flick version of fight club... You know how fight club basically makes fun society and what we view as important... We could have a story that explores the human condition by exposing some of the rather silly ways we (men and women) act within relationships...It would be totally driven by the sarcasm and wit of the narrator...she'd be the all knowing fly on the wall for each and every situation presented in the story and she's interject smart ass comments about the characters etc etc...

    Yes please! A female version of fight club! Let's blow some shit up!

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    Samantha wrote: Yes please! A female version of fight club! Let's blow some shit up!

    no thats not what i meant...silly :-P

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    In my opinion, in order to make a chick flick work, there has to be a relationship in turmoil that ends up okay in the end--or several.

    But if in the end, the two go there merry ways, then I hate it. I'm left empty and unfulfilled. Either the girl gets the guy or the guy gets the girl, but someones got to get someone.

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    It would be pretty nice to have some of your connections, E. Jean!

    Sounds a lot like cowrite- the community screenwriting project (though there was a production company involved from the get-go). I meant to get in on it, but have been BUSY with work.

    I tend to take over "Group projects" anyway. :)

    I'm a freelance script doctor. I'd be happy to read through/clean it up when it's done.

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    Great article. Terms of Endearment--my ultimate favorite movie--reminds me that sad movies with great acting can prevail overtime.

    Bridges of Madison County reminds me that a movie can still be great even if the girl doesn't get the guy in the end. Although, if I had written the movie, she would have run off with good ol' Clint.

    And let's not forget An Officer and a Gentleman. Classic chick flicks that endured the test of time. Not your typical silly movies of today, although I love those as well.

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    A movie by the Vixens?? I'm breaking out the popcorn already...and am SO in! Loving this.

    Let's try this idea for kicks:

    What about a movie built around a dating website?! A la Match.com or the like, we'd make a Love Actually-esque film with different stories intertwined as we develop the nervousness, the charm, the rejection, the connections of women and men who sign up for a dating site.

    Think of the drama and comedy of it all! There is NOTHING more awkward than a blind date or a first date, and we can capture both at once. Characters will be the desperate woman who can't ever land a date, the player who wants easy access to multiple women, the nerd who just can't find anyone who 'gets' him, the friends who accidentally date the same guy...and the stories will all unfold as they date each other.

    Thoughts?

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    We gear the movie towards today's lifestyles so that all women can relate. Women have more on their plates today than ever.

    Let's take one of our dear Vixens for example (no names): Working, children, a husband who leaves her, financial trouble--a daughter in her 20's who is finding it difficult to relate to her world.

    We could give the mother cancer, and spend more time focused on her daughter. Using some of the younger vixens and what they are going through, we could journey through their hardships, yet always have a solution.

    The cancer stricken mother finds comfort in the gorgeous neighbor who, because he is sensitive, finds himself wanting to help her. But she has to die.

    We are reading a lot of questions from college students who can't seem to find the right partner. Obviously that topic would top the interest of that age group.

    Plug in a variety of different scenarios.



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    So, my question is: is the goal to make this movie a chick flick, or, like the website suggests, branch outside of that movie norm?

    That being said, are there any movie moments that stand out to you that were not part of a chick flick? If so, marinate on them: what was going on with the movie, who were the characters, and why did you watch the movie in the first place?

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    OMG. I'm on a roll.

    Okay. How is this for one of the scenarios.

    She is about 32. She has teenage children who live with their dad. She is working full time. She meets this great guy, 42, at some group meeting, book club or something, and they start talking.

    He ends up having lots of money and he starts wining and dining her. He takes her out and buys her dresses and jewelry. He treats her like a queen. She quits her job and moves in. All of a sudden her world is just like Nicolas Cage's in the beginning of Family Man.

    But it has to take a turn. Maybe he ends up losing everything in which she is right back where she started from--only now she is poor, but in love.

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    Staci wrote: So, my question is: is the goal to make this movie a chick flick, or, like the website suggests, branch outside of that movie norm? That being said, are there any movie moments that stand out to you that were not part of a chick flick? If so, marinate on them: what was going on with the movie, who were the characters, and why did you watch the movie in the first place?

    My favorite movie moments. Good idea Staci. I guess it's a plus that my favorite thing to do is go to the movies. There aren't too many I haven't seen--especially those good ol' chick flicks.

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    Ashley wrote: A movie by the Vixens?? I'm breaking out the popcorn already...and am SO in! Loving this. Let's try this idea for kicks: What about a movie built around a dating website?! A la Match.com or the like, we'd make a Love Actually-esque film with different stories intertwined as we develop the nervousness, the charm, the rejection, the connections of women and men who sign up for a dating site. Think of the drama and comedy of it all! There is NOTHING more awkward than a blind date or a first date, and we can capture both at once. Characters will be the desperate woman who can't ever land a date, the player who wants easy access to multiple women, the nerd who just can't find anyone who 'gets' him, the friends who accidentally date the same guy...and the stories will all unfold as they date each other. Thoughts?

    Yes and over it all, tying it all together is the site manager or someone involved who despite everything, access to the site, the profiles, etc. etc. can't find her own love and after all day putting things together for other people goes home alone, until...?

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    This is a good idea as lots of people are finding true love on dating sites, but it was done in "Must Love Dogs" with John Cusack and Diane Lane. Remember, Diane Lane accidently finds herself on a blind date with her dad.

    If you go this route, just make sure the scenarios take a different turn.

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    I have no actual ideas for the plot, YET, however I love the narration idea.

    What if we had some "story" or plot or what have you narrated by different people, or vixens, each from their point of view? Almost like each narrator is telling their side of the story, therefore creating a different story/plot every time its told? Each narration has different parts that stand out, are exaggerated, or twisted or whatever to fit their side of the story. It could make for several interesting and funny point of views.
    Kinda confusing to put into words, but you get my drift?

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    Miss E., artists are not motivated by money.
    But your ideas are always grand.
    Let me ponder ... In the meantime...today I met a gal who rehabilitated a horse whose leg and neck was nearly chewed off by a mountain lion. Top specialists in every field worked on this horse with incredible spirit. Now the horse-panache is a top level cross country jumper. The owner has been approached by Disney and Readers Digest but nothing currently in the works. She produced and

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    How about an advice columnist that is really illogical and screwed up in her real life.

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    What about someone who's life is significantly altered because of blpgging. Getting fired because of confidentiality / revelations. Etc.
    Someone pursuing a job/moving/divorcing because of Vixen advice.
    Somehow the main characters lives entwine in the end.

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    First, by placing working script ideas here on the web is risky business, because there's no literary protection. The internet can be a scary place to maneuver your way through, it’s not called a web for nothing.

    Think Craigslist, with its ongoing scams. How many of us have read & cringed when we’ve read an ad to “send writing samples to be considered for a writing job”? We know, chances are they’re not hiring, but we’re hopeful because we need the “Big Break” to happen and the ad plays on that and sometimes we play into the scam, because sometimes dreams are not nightmares, they’re just dreams. With that said...

    Hmmm, a payment split. Another toughy. In the end, Vixieland isn’t going to be so warm & cozy, because inevitably someone's feelings are going to get hurt. Solo writing can be a difficult job, but working in a group, with your words viciously critiqued, then bantered about and ultimately cast on the internet floor without a glancing thought…. Brutal!

    I love it. Count me in! Can you try to talk to someone about potential "word thieves" & thievery? I don’t mind working on a “prospectus” basis, and I don’t mind when someone misuses my words, but I hate the idea of someone stealing them!

    Oh, an idea might be timeline from 40's into the present with a pyschic. Because whether or not you personally believe in them, they've been around a very long time, and their client base is... get this, WOMEN!

    My idea, a woman goes to a pyschic to see if her husband is cheating... she's told much more than that; she's also told things about her children. She leaves the Tea Room (gypsy or circus tent) to alter what she believes is the future.

    Thsi could be about her individual journey into enlightenment, or a group of stories that would include the drama of life, illegitimate children etc.

    She would be the weak, broken woman who gains strength from Kleenex to triumph!

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    I think some of the characters should be based on the actual Vixens here. I think a lot of the lovely Vixen and Vixmen would make great movie characters, and the "relationships" between them would be interesting.

    For example, I always view Theresa, Lacy and Brynne (and loads others) as the big sisters I never had, giving me wise advice and propping me up while I'm down. At the same time, Ervin and Andrew are always there to be sweethearts and make the girls smile by saying nice things to them.

    We can also throw in a few of the more, how shall I say, spirited Vixens as the rabble rousers. We can kind of base it on AV, like follow 5 or 7 Vixens in their daily lives where they dont' interact and then come onto the forum to dissect what happened.

    I'll try to outline something to make more sense, but I think we could really have something with just the fabulous Vixens! Characters based on some of us would be Great!

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    yes! I like this idea based on the actual Vixens! Because I can at times give great advice, but my own life is such a freaking mess that I doubt most people would take me seriously as an advice giver, so I can totally relate with that concept!

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    yes! I understand exactly what you are saying and think it'd be a great idea!

    Show both outcomes of following and NOT following vixen advice. Genius.

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    Carly wrote: I think some of the characters should be based on the actual Vixens here. I think a lot of the lovely Vixen and Vixmen would make great movie characters, and the "relationships" between them would be interesting. For example, I always view Theresa, Lacy and Brynne (and loads others) as the big sisters I never had, giving me wise advice and propping me up while I'm down. At the same time, Ervin and Andrew are always there to be sweethearts and make the girls smile by saying nice things to them. We can also throw in a few of the more, how shall I say, spirited Vixens as the rabble rousers. We can kind of base it on AV, like follow 5 or 7 Vixens in their daily lives where they dont' interact and then come onto the forum to dissect what happened. I'll try to outline something to make more sense, but I think we could really have something with just the fabulous Vixens! Characters based on some of us would be Great!

    I like this Carly. It felt sincere. And I agree. We might come on here to give advice as if our world's were so in order, but in reality, we are all screwed up in some way. I hear your heart.

    You too Miss beth. I like the collaberation between you and Carly. Good stuff.

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    I was thinking what might work is for each Vixen to write out one life example based on personal experience. If the movie journeys through the lives of more than one Vixen, we will need a few scenarios.

    I think stories based on real life are the best. We could send them to E. Jean rather than posting them here. She could read through them and pick out the favorites--also deciding how many separate life stories the movie would span through.

    Those would be the story lines for the movie. And we could go from there filling in dialogue and fine tuning the characters. We can use the stories in any setting, such as, the online dating scenarios, or the actual advice givers.

    With so many subplots we have to start with story lines--a few of them.

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    I can write dialogue, and I can make it funny. :)

    As for a message, how about something concerning the idea that NOT ALL WOMEN WANT TO GET MARRIED AND HAVE BABIES. This idea REALLY needs to be hammered into the brains of the male population who never listen when you say such things.

    Anyhoo I haven't had time to really think about this yet but I would love to be involved! All I need is a 'prompt' as it were and the words will come. :)

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    I'm excited too!

    I'd love to make up a few character sheets based on some of the more vocal Vixens! Just an idea of who/what we could be working with.

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    Okay fair enough. As long as you don't hate everything I say. (Good to know :-)

    But what do you think about the Vixens writing out story lines based on personal life experiences. If you had a few to choose from you could put together a nice diverse movie.

    I don't mind writing out a story line and posting it here. but I think we should have a variety. We have such a diverse group of women/and men here.

    How's that?

    Edit* Or we could all vote?

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    Carly wrote: yes! I like this idea based on the actual Vixens! Because I can at times give great advice, but my own life is such a freaking mess that I doubt most people would take me seriously as an advice giver, so I can totally relate with that concept!

    Miss Beth, Carly and all--

    A couple thoughts:

    THEME: I think you've hit on a terrific theme here: the notion that the sage advising voice in us coexists with the flawed person acting out of fear, anxiety, anger, jealousy, impulse, self-doubt, etc.

    Nietzsche said to the young Lou Andreas-Salome: "Become the person that you are," and this site allows people to try out the confident, wise, forgiving, stern, instructive, witty, insightful voice of the person that they aspire to be--even if they are not there yet--and perhaps helps them to become that person.

    Another obvious theme would be the nature of the technologically-mediated life. You could have a lot of fun with the different apparati that Vixens use to access the site. I think you could also, on a deeper level, explore what's the difference between a known, off-line friend/advisor and a cyber friend/advisor. Some Vixens are eager to meet other Vixens--to make the transition from cyber friend to flesh-and-blood friend. Others prefer to stay on one side of the screen. Why? Rich territory to explore here, I think.

    STRUCTURE: A couple of people have mentioned the intertwining and parallel plot structure of "He's Just Not that Into You," and I agree--it could be great for this script. Other terrific examples of that kind of ensemble, multiple plot line structure include the classic, "Nashville"; Robert Altman's wonderful "Shortcuts," based on Raymond Carver stories and SHOUTOUT TO SAMANTHA, including Jennifer Jason Leigh as a PSO; and, more recently, the brilliant "Babel."

    I think a good way to develop a script like this is to outline each of your characters, with his/her motivating needs, lacks, desires, goals, or wants. Then decide who will achieve their goals, who will fail to achieve them, and whose goals will alter in the course of the story. Then decide how different characters will affect the trajectory of another's life--whether for good, ill, or nil.

    CHARACTERS: And maybe not have everyone be FABULOUS, in that SATC way? How about someone stuck in a small town tending an aging parent; someone bedridden or lonely, writing in about boyfriend and fashion and hairdo dilemmas that are entirely fabricated.

    Consider having some international characters--perhaps from quite different cultures, who exist primarily as lurkers, trying to decode this strange society.



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    Amy, I love you, but that kind of sounds like every single chick flick made in the past 10 years rolled into one.

    You have aspects from How To Lose A Guy In 10 Days, Someone Like You, and The Devil Wears Prada all put together.

    I liked the idea of AV as being a narrator for the movie, NOT the main theme necessarily.

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    Oh I get that, but I meant AV as the narrator, like not one particular person who everyone on the site loves, but the site as a whole, if that makes sense! Kind of like following people's lives as they post or answer questions ON AV.

    Obviously we won't all agree! I love how different everyone's ideas are!

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    Haha you should! One of my favorite chick flicks of all time (plus hugh jackman is in it!) It's kinda similar on some levels to your story so check it out!

    And of course we're just brainstorming! Please dont' get offended, I was just offering my opinion on your idea, as I'd welcome anyone offering ideas on mine!

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    Okay Lady E, let's do this!

    With eyes wide open, gaze into the crystal ball, the narration begins...." that's what life is. We are voyeurs, trying to see how to lead the perfect life."

    The narrator's guise of a gypsy/fortune teller, unconnected and mystic, leads us to the segue of how we all literally enter this world...

    As a naked baby. Unable to see, speak or hear clearly. Completely dependent on others. We have a sucking mechanism, but no clear knowledge of how to do, what we do. And yet we couldn’t survive without the ability to suck.

    To me, the next chick-flick needs to be intellectual, as well as significant. It needs to tell a compelling story, that includes a journey where a woman goes from knowing nothing to realizing that everything that she needed to know, she already knew… just like the suckling mechanism.

    Emotionally, we are all more alike than we are different, so AV characters are not necessarily interesting. We need a real hero…. Someone who we sympathize with almost immediately. Maybe the baby in the crystal ball was born early and like many premature babies, she had to be taught to suckle.

    Maybe she's missing an arm, a leg, maybe both. Maybe she's physically fine, but mentally challenged.... From the naked blind faith of birth to the first stirring of effort, her eyes open…

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    Amy, I liked your story. That's what I'm talking about. A few different storylines that all merge together to create a fun, interesting and diverse movie. With such an amazing variety of Vixens, no two ideas should be alike. Look at what DaNiced wrote--her idea is completely different, as is most of ideas presented above.

    Each Vixen can create a complete storyline. Once they are chosen, then we develop them and give them dialogue. It gives us something to work with.

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    My BB is bogging down!
    My ideas are rather isolated and stream of consciousness (dad says when you look up def of stream of c. You'll find my Mom's name).
    Anyway, the most interesting stories are real. Like the phony murder case on AV.

    I have an image of a giant confessional type box with a dozen vixens on one side and the advicee on the other. Different V. Have a spotlight while

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    ...doling advice from A. To Z.

    One character: starving artist living in New York - Brooklyn. Maybe who does some gratis artwork for a
    Doling advice

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    Retract second doling advice.

    ... New innovative website and becomes world famous. Is written up in the New York Times-all the best ones are, you know.



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    You know Lily Tomlims saying
    Search for intelligent life

    AV is the search for intelligent advice...

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    Am I stimulating anything?
    Signing out

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    Women multi-task, so the movie should have tiers, maybe three ??? The storyline could run concurrent with real time events, so that we see where the character is, as we discover where she’s been.

    Main characters (5???) in each subplot might contrast unique behavior to similar situations. OR they could be the same characters (5???) who are at varying stages of life, being faced with life issues. These issues would be taken straight from the webpages of AV.

    Ashley's story suggestion could be one storyline intertwined with Brian's...

    A quirky, witty character (think Nathan Hale) would help the story line move along a timeline, as the main female characters evolve from yet another of life's quagmires (again taken directly from AV webpages).


    HAS THIS ALREADY BEEN DONE? If not, then why not?

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    Well, clearly if there's going to be a Vixen movie, it's gotta be old-school romantic comedy. Funny, relatable, and not too over-the-top.

    I don't think you'd need a main character. There should be about six characters, with the film going back and forth between the six characters, each with their own storyline, a true ensemble. The linking device would be the internet, of course...each character coming on to Advice Vixens and telling about their days. The end would involve all the characters meeting...maybe getting together to help solve one characters boy problem in person, with some grand Lucy-esque scheme that results in love for one of the Vixens. The end.

    I think you should avoid horror, sci fi, or David Lynch-type storylines. Just make a good romantic comedy that makes people feel good and happy after having watched it. Simple.


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    Ervin wrote: Well, clearly if there's going to be a Vixen movie, it's gotta be old-school romantic comedy. Funny, relatable, and not too over-the-top. I don't think you'd need a main character. There should be about six characters, with the film going back and forth between the six characters, each with their own storyline, a true ensemble. The linking device would be the internet, of course...each character coming on to Advice Vixens and telling about their days. The end would involve all the characters meeting...maybe getting together to help solve one characters boy problem in person, with some grand Lucy-esque scheme that results in love for one of the Vixens. The end. I think you should avoid horror, sci fi, or David Lynch-type storylines. Just make a good romantic comedy that makes people feel good and happy after having watched it. Simple.

    Ervin--Yes. Intermingled subplots following different characters--all centered around this site.

    Now for the storylines?

    I will put one together and post it later.

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    Lacy wrote: Ervin--Yes. Intermingled subplots following different characters--all centered around this site. Now for the storylines? I will put one together and post it later.

    I think most of us agree on the multiple storylines, a la Love Actually, because it makes you think more!

    I'd definitely base one of the characters on the younger Vixen ladies. Early 20's, out of college, trying to make it in the big city. We can have her navigating the dating world, going through the ups and downs. Maybe save any friendship drama for another character, just focus on the love/sex with this one. Yes I realize this sounds like me, but you write what you know!

    Another Vixen can be a slightly older fabulous lady, late 30's, early 40's, bored in her life and trying to make a change, whether that's in a marriage, job, whatever. Something to shake things up.

    Yet another would have to be a fabulous Vixman. I think there should only be on, MAYBE 2 of 6 characters being a man, because given the ratio of this site and sites like this, I'd say that's believable. The Vixman can be late 20's, early 30's, a writer, gives great advice, but is perpetually single and can't understand why.

    These are just a few ideas!

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    Carly wrote: I think most of us agree on the multiple storylines, a la Love Actually, because it makes you think more! I'd definitely base one of the characters on the younger Vixen ladies. Early 20's, out of college, trying to make it in the big city. We can have her navigating the dating world, going through the ups and downs. Maybe save any friendship drama for another character, just focus on the love/sex with this one. Yes I realize this sounds like me, but you write what you know! Another Vixen can be a slightly older fabulous lady, late 30's, early 40's, bored in her life and trying to make a change, whether that's in a marriage, job, whatever. Something to shake things up. Yet another would have to be a fabulous Vixman. I think there should only be on, MAYBE 2 of 6 characters being a man, because given the ratio of this site and sites like this, I'd say that's believable. The Vixman can be late 20's, early 30's, a writer, gives great advice, but is perpetually single and can't understand why. These are just a few ideas!

    Great ideas Carly. And yes, a character like you is perfect. Your life is so full of diversity--even the ghost in your apartment adds drama. I think your life is an ideal storyline. Now, write it up--all about you.

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    Possible Characters:

    Maggie and Steven: Maggie is a 25 year old with two kids a full time job
    Steven is the father of the children also with a full time job.

    These two aren't married and lately Maggie's not happy with Steven because he's always working and when he is free he's out with his guys...leaving her to be the mommy and the daddy as well as the maid...She does all the cooking cleaning and has no social life outside of her "prison" of a relationship. Steven is very controlling and believes that a woman's place is in the domestic capacity...he doesn't respect her needs at all.

    ---Maggie's falling for a guy outside of her relationship and doesn't know what to do---



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    Possible Character

    Brittany and Scott

    Brittany Just moved to the big city from Tennessee. Doesn't know anyone but Maggie (coworkers). She falls for a "player" type in the office (Scott). He's got a live-in-fiance and like 3 or 4 other girls on the side.

    Maybe a good idea to explore both characters state of lonelyness..(is that a word)

    Scott's a player because he can't trust anyone...it causes him to be selfish and string women along.

    Brittany's lonely because of her location...leaving everything behind in Tennessee (why did she leave?)...maybe for a guy that leaves her stranded in the big city. I'm assuming Chicago or New York would be the setting...

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    Possible Characters

    Karina and Elizabeth.

    Two very successful corporate women. They've been together for 9 years Everything financially and economically going great. There problem stems from Elizabeth's recent questioning of her sexual preference. She feels she may want kids and may want to try men again...

    We could show Karina's struggle to hold on to Elizabeth and Elizabeth's internal struggle trying to find her identity.

    Trust issues could be explored. Elizabeth cheated on Karina twice throughout the relationship.

    Karina is a good soul. I really want the audience to sympathize for her. She's a strong independent woman. Her only weakness is Elizabeth

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    Brian wrote: Possible Characters: Maggie and Steven: Maggie is a 25 year old with two kids a full time job Steven is the father of the children also with a full time job. These two aren't married and lately Maggie's not happy with Steven because he's always working and when he is free he's out with his guys...leaving her to be the mommy and the daddy as well as the maid...She does all the cooking cleaning and has no social life outside of her "prison" of a relationship. Steven is very controlling and believes that a woman's place is in the domestic capacity...he doesn't respect her needs at all. ---Maggie's falling for a guy outside of her relationship and doesn't know what to do---

    Brian,

    Do you know how many women actually live that life?

    Perfect!

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    Brian wrote: Possible Character Brittany and Scott Brittany Just moved to the big city from Tennessee. Doesn't know anyone but Maggie (coworkers). She falls for a "player" type in the office (Scott). He's got a live-in-fiance and like 3 or 4 other girls on the side. Maybe a good idea to explore both characters state of lonelyness..(is that a word) Scott's a player because he can't trust anyone...it causes him to be selfish and string women along. Brittany's lonely because of her location...leaving everything behind in Tennessee (why did she leave?)...maybe for a guy that leaves her stranded in the big city. I'm assuming Chicago or New York would be the setting...

    More good stuff!

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    Brian wrote: Possible Characters Karina and Elizabeth. Two very successful corporate women. They've been together for 9 years Everything financially and economically going great. There problem stems from Elizabeth's recent questioning of her sexual preference. She feels she may want kids and may want to try men again... We could show Karina's struggle to hold on to Elizabeth and Elizabeth's internal struggle trying to find her identity. Trust issues could be explored. Elizabeth cheated on Karina twice throughout the relationship. Karina is a good soul. I really want the audience to sympathize for her. She's a strong independent woman. Her only weakness is Elizabeth

    Brian, this must be your niche! All good storylines. I have one but I don't think I can compact it like you did. It is very long. I think I'd better edit!

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    Interesting imagination--but I loved the storyline you wrote above!

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    Lacy wrote: Brian, Do you know how many women actually live that life? Perfect!

    Thanks!

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    Thank you Miss Beth. I actually think I might not post a storyline. There are so many good ones already. If in fact E. Jean goes with more than we have, I could contribute, but as of right now, I don't think it's necessary.

    As for how to do this--when we get started I can see how you all do it. All I know is, I LOVE a good movie, but I've never written one.

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    No. Not saving it for later. Actually the book I wrote, "Addiction a Personal Story" is a one day at a time all about me. Each page is a story in itself.

    Although the storyline I was thinking about is a lot more cheerful and doesn't center around dysfunctional (well maybe a little) or alcoholism.

    Okay. I will write it when I have time and post it on my own thread. But only for you dear Miss Beth! :-)

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    Lacy wrote: Money split is good. More money for more contribution. Great incentive to work hard!

    Its never been done-a story in itself











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    Lacy wrote: Money split is good. More money for more contribution. Great incentive to work hard!

    Its never been done-a story in itself











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    AReally crave the fat girl to fit
    Dumpy to sophisticated
    All because of AV~ Vixen Control Room
    And she learns how to turn mens hearts
    On a dime








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    Hello there everyone. In the time I've taken to read every post this thread, I think I could have knocked out a novel, but I'm very happy to have been invited here. How is this actually going to work? I mean, writing the script itself and so forth. Movie Maker? Final Draft? Just curious. I look forward to contributing my perspective when I can.

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    There should be a timeline as it will really help this amazing and loose madness take some shape. Maybe, everyone pitch a plot idea, then we'll all vote. Then we'll start pitching characters, then vote again, then story, and so on and so forth. Putting together the actual script will be the easiest part if everything is handled well.
    I'm an outsider to this site and community as I have been wrangled in with some "Craigslist scam" (just kidding, but still CL regardless) and I'd like to be able to offer my outsider opinion and help in the best way possible. I love all movies and chick flicks certainly have their place in my heart. I mean, I saw Four Weddings and a Funeral 3 times in the same school year that I saw Pulp Fiction 8 times, and yes, Dumb and Dumber 8 times also...I was 13. I couldn't help it. Still can't. One of my ex-girlfriends couldn't fall asleep without Bridget Jones Diary on in the background, and I watched it all the way through almost everynight for years.

    So, voting idea to move things towards productivity? What does everyone think about pitching ideas, discussing the best ascpects of each and then figuring out which one appeals the most to everyone? Something like that? Just thinking in keystrokes here...

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    Good luck, you guys, but it is so damn hard to follow any valuable thread here that not only you may end up with a roaring hell funny or not, but worse, with just another one of those twittering chats.

    Are you making a movie or not - you need better organization - keep each idea for a movie separately and let people follow and work on the one they care for. But I mean work, not chat about everything else in their lives, unless they want to use it in the movie.

    Your mentioning Saturday Night Live actually gave me an idea - I believe humor can be very serious, even when it starts from an idiotic idea like, let's say, some Donald Trump guy wakes up one morning with his front teeth missing, while, in parallel, a total loser of a young man, with a horrible fear of dentists and unspeakable teeth wakes up the same morning with a gorgeous smile. I think there is a lot you can do to have fun with this, it's just a movie after all and sky is the limit. I would have the Donald desperately trying to hide his new teeth and arranging to go incognito to a third world country to have his teeth fixed while all his "elevated spiritual life" is crumbling around him, and developing a beautiful love story with the dental assistant in Siberia or wherever who is going to beat the crap out of his rudeness and turn him into a man. At the same time, we'll follow the young man learning what confidence mean and life for that matter.

    At the end, if we want or not, we can have both wake up from their respective dreams, only wiser. To me, sounds like we can explore funny bones at every single turn here and have fun together. But let's keep it serious in terms of work and to the point, will you?

    Adi

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    I'm looking for a job. I got laid off from a magazine job in December. I don't have time to read all the posts, but I've got an idea. If you use my idea, do I get a big chunk of the money? That would be awfully nice. Here it is: To be timely/of our times/current, I think it would be a road movie of a bunch of Obama supporters. Girls and guys. They are committed, intense, self-involved, self-righteous, and therefore funny. It would be a comedy of inter-campaign office romances. There would be a main couple -- sort of like the most popular in college -- with lots of jockeying for position and nasty politics all as they are espousing honesty, compassion, straight-shooting to voters. Whadeya think?

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    The plot and storylines are all here. How one woman thought about writing a screenplay with "strangers" and how all their different lives intermingle. The Narrator is E. Jean, and then the rest of the narrators chime in as the story goes along. Your story arc is the screenplay and the people who write it. Now just avoid formulas and there you go.

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    Here's some wisdom I didn't make up but gleaned from books on screenplay writing and associated seminars. (These pointers relate to American Hollywood or general-public independent movies. If you want a European avant-garde or art-house film, this stuff doesn't apply.)
    1. A movie is, in brief: A story about a person who has an utterly compelling goal and overcomes a series of increasingly difficult obstacles to achieve the goal.
    2. The main character should be someone we root for, for whatever reason. Ensemble pieces are nice, but emotionally they are very difficult to manage. Pick a main person and make the movie that person's story.
    3. The person must have a specific, tangible goal. Otherwise, they just wander around the movie doing stuff. This person can perhaps need a certain job, but it must be for absolutely compelling reasons, like to keep custody of children. This person can want a particular love to work out -- but the object of love must be appealing, or the whole thing falls apart.
    4. Action must move the story as much as dialogue. People watch a movie, they don't just listen to it. (For this reason, the above idea to have excessive voiceover is doomed to create a boring movie. Think of the difference between a voiceover saying, "They were angry at each other" and watching them throw dishware at each other. Which one is emotionally more satisfying and worth your ten bucks at the theater?)
    5. A good way to start the screenwriting process is to visualize the opening and closing scenes. Make them opposite. The single woman striking out romantically in the first scene gets married in the last scene. Sound corny? Try watching a movie in which she strikes out in the beginning, middle and end.
    6. After you figure out who the main character is, what he or she wants, what the first and last scenes are, zoom to the middle of the movie. Determine what a fake victory would look like. For example, if she thinks she has won his love, this is the part where they get engaged. It looks good, but it is about to implode, because this will be negated in the next twenty pages when she learns she cannot have him. Then, in the last act, she redoubles all efforts to regain his love, leading to the climax.
    Note that all of these are structural comments, not content recommendations.
    For more, expressed far better, read Michael Hauge's "Writing Screenplays That Sell" and Blake Snyder's "Save the Cat."


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    The multiple storylines has so much possibilities. I like limiting the main people to six, seeing their problems in life and all of them logging in to vixens for advice and giving advice at the same time. As these people begin to change their lives trying out the different ideas and advice, comedy ensues, but slowly, through listening to the advice of others, they are led to each other, as either new friends that look up from their laptops at the local coffee shop at the sound of an incoming message and realizing they've been around each other the whole time, to the one piece of advice from a guy that has given the worst advice to everyone that leads a right woman right towards him.

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    I was thinking about a comedy about women not getting any for whatever reason, whether it be their careers, disinterested partners, busy lives--and it'd be called 'No Sex In the City' :)

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    I'm not sure if this is a good idea or not, but I've been lately obsessed with writing a sit com centered around the interactions between employees and customers of an affluent area pharmacy, namely Chicago's Gold Coast. It'd kind of be like Scrubs only with Pharmacists. Passive-aggressive pharmacists and old moneyed out-of-control individuals on prescription drugs are a winning combination in my book. Let's do it!

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    3 WOMAN ... ONE IS AN ASPIRING PORN ACTRESS WHO ALSO HAS A HEAVY CASE OF OCD, EVEN ON THE SETS OF HER FILMS (HILARITY DEFINITELY CAN ENSUE) ... ONE IS A POST OPERATION TRANSVESTITE, WHO HASN'T OPENED UP TO HER FEMALE FRIENDS YET OR PARTNERS SHE IS SLEEPING WITH ABOUT BEING BORN THE OPPOSITE SEX (IRONICALLY HER NAME IS ROBIN OR ALEX, preferably a name that goes both ways, so she never needed to change it)... THE THIRD IS A SUCCES-FULL FRANCHISE BUSINESS OWNER WHO IS ADDICTED TO EITHER ALCOHOL OR DRUGS......the story line needs to be developed or created lol...but it can be centered around these 3 characters

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    I stumbled over this LINK and I honestly think what you are trying to do is great!

    This is my thought...

    The main characters (husband and wife or boyfriend and girlfriend) should be in a love/hate relationship (think of small things that put all of us over the edge landing us on both sides of the fence) The constant pulsating thought of the grass being greener on the other side should absolutely be present!

    Supporting couples/cast should be people they (the main characters) want and don't want to be! (again, a reason to probe at ideas that we loathingly laugh at or lust for when we see others happily swimming, drowning or doggypaddling in their relationships)

    Also, friends and or the other couples could be tugging at the couple's emotional strings ultimately bringing them closer together or driving them apart (comically of course).

    You can easily start by hooking in your audience with an innocent arguement, leading into an explosive yet hysterical exchange, that ultimately ends with the rediculously minuscule but immensely comical reason that initiated the verbal clash!

    Is there an email address I can send dialouge or character types for you to view???

    From the unprofessional guy who took up screenwriting as a way to pass the time...

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    Hello. So this is my first post and first visit to this site, and this thread was a bit frantic to try to catch up on, but here goes my take.

    I see a young woman (24-27, and for the purpose of this post I'll call her Kate) who just had a best selling book. The movie starts off with her first stop on her book tour. She's taking a Q&A section. She wrote a story about a writer who fell in love with someone who she saw every day for a year at a coffee shop, but who she never saw because she went there to write her novel. And when the character stopped going to write her novel, the man came to her house one day, and love ensued through the normal turmoil. Kait is uknown so the first questions are general things about her. Finally, they lead to some questions about the book. Kait shows her passion for the book, writing, her story, her love of writing, her literacy, her charisma, but then the last question reveals something else about her.

    "Is this work based on something that happened in your life?"
    For that moment she just laughs it off, makes a side comment, "Oh no no. I've never been in love, and I don't much like coffee shops for writing."

    But the question and her answer would hang with her. She gets more success as she moves around the country, but it only feels to shine on how empty her life feels. She's spent most of her life trying to create something. Trying to be a writer. Thinking that the cost of that kind of life - the price of being an artist - was that you gave those things up to make other people feel them instead.

    Then she meets an actor while she's in LA on the set of a tonight show.(I'm not sold on this part. What kind of guy should it be? Should it be an older male college student? Another writer? A politician? They should have money. They should be intelligent. Be able to challenge her.) At first it's just little chatter. A polite smile. But then he looks at her and asks, "Is it true?"
    "Is what true?"
    "You've never loved?"
    "No..."
    "So you spend your whole life working on this novel all about love, and you've never felt it for yourself? The quick sensation of blood pumping, the way the world starts to spin, and how completely fucked it is?" And he moves closer and closer with each word.

    Okay, I'm getting verbose.

    But the story would work out into her feeling this void in her growing. And the publishing company wants another book while her first book is being made into a movie. And the same actor that challenged her at the tonight show is picked in the lead row. So she meets him again, while she's struggling to write the new book, and in the end it's only when she can feel what loves like with him can she finish the novel.

    So yeah... my two cents.


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    John here! Love the idea, team efforts are always the best.

    I'm willing to help as much as I can. I've written over twenty features for myself so I can format this baby in no time free of charge vixers. I just finsihed my first feature comedy last week - SO EXCITED!

    Just let me know if you should need my help.

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    Samantha wrote: I think it's a good idea for a movie, but it isn't a chick flick--it's told through the "male gaze." Chick flick, almost by definition (I'm sure there are a few exceptions) should have a woman as the central character. Par example: Big fish would absolutely, 100% be a chick flick if they told the exact same story about a mother and daughter--but it was father and son, so it was just a movie--because men have convinced themselves that women have cooties and watching a movie with a female main character will tear their penis from their groin. Point being--chick flick implies a female lead. Two strong supporting actresses does not a chick flick make.

    Where does Life as a House fall? (I'm asking, not judging). To me, that was always on the borderline of chic flics, but doesn't meet the criteria of the female lead.............

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    Sam-I-am wrote: Where does Life as a House fall? (I'm asking, not judging). To me, that was always on the borderline of chic flics, but doesn't meet the criteria of the female lead.............

    Life as a House--One of my favorite movies. Loved it. I cry everytime I see it. One of my husband's also. Not so much a chick flick. More like a very good drama.

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    What if you twist it around - instead of having 4 vignettes, you have one vignette with 4 narrators (4 vixens). You have one person who asks for advice, then show the same scenario from 4 extremely different points of view - kind of a SLIDING DOORS sort of thing, but less about the precariousness of the situation and more about the path less travelled. Somehow or another weave Robert Frost's poem "The Road Not Taken" into the theme?

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    Sam-I-am wrote: What if you twist it around - instead of having 4 vignettes, you have one vignette with 4 narrators (4 vixens). You have one person who asks for advice, then show the same scenario from 4 extremely different points of view - kind of a SLIDING DOORS sort of thing, but less about the precariousness of the situation and more about the path less travelled. Somehow or another weave Robert Frost's poem "The Road Not Taken" into the theme?

    Is it odd that I'm responding to my own response? (rhetorical)

    I had another thought, and hit send too quickly. This is based on one of my screenplay idea, but seems to be appropriate for this setting: In the vignette/ scene for each of the 4 vignettes, show a certain situation where the person said or did one thing, but regretted that they didn't do or say something else. You then freeze frame, cut in with the vixens as the narrators; arguing and discussing what the person should have done or said, then rewind it - a "REDO" of sorts; then come back to the situaiton allowing the scene to play out differently. The vixens could be a group of "invisible" muses(metaphorical for the voices of reason?); they could take on different forms in the different scenarios - or perhaps they're in plain sight as part of the extras, but while everyone and everything else is freezes, they step out of character from the background and reset the scene..........

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    Hi,

    I have this idea about an typical American girl after horrible experiences dating decided she wants to get a traditional arranged marriage.



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    you all play yourselves as advice vixens
    (but perhaps on television or radio)

    a psychotic yet attractive young man (early mel gibson/christian bale) swears that he is so tired of living life alone and that he's madly in love with your show that he's willing to take your advice and do whatever you want..

    jokingly you suggest rediculous things like jump off a bridge, kill your wife/betraying lover, shoot the president/your lawyers, and the psychopath attempts these measures (of course nothing to serious like this) and calls back admitting that he's the one doing it

    it is also covered by local news stories and he is wanted by the police

    ---------------

    and to add to the "What Men Want"
    a woman like Sandra Bullock (While You Were Sleeping) is injured in an automobile accident and permanently cursed with the ability to hear the thoughts of men



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    Hi, I'm new to all of this, but have an idea related to our times.

    How about two girls, unable to find steady work due to the economy, take multiple temp positions doing a variety of different jobs - everything from kid's parties, catering, escort service, office stuff. Lots could happen in between, fast paced, circumstances and plot continually changing. Kind of like a good sitcom, that's a movie.

    Know of a guy who did the clown thing at the kid's party once, ended up sleeping with the mom after the party!

    The "What Men Want" idea seems kind of redundent. I think something more fresh and original would have a better chance. Something clever that doesn't try too hard to be funny.


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    I see the ideas being presented, but there is nothing solid yet. So this is where I will toss a new idea into the mix. The title I came up with is “Someone Like You.”
    The main character is a young attractive woman who has been in a series of bad relationships. Her profession is one that draws attention to her looks. The men that she gets involved with are those that have the appearance and money to impress upon her. For the time she is with these men, they have taken her places, brought her to expensive restaurants, and allowed her to live in a world of success and money.
    A long time friend, the other lead role, is an average guy. This character has nothing special about his appearance and his financial situation is rather bleak. He moves from job to job in order to get by. Basically, he is the exact opposite of the men she has dated and would not consider dating him.
    At the end of her most recent relationship, she ends up at his place upset and she discusses all that is wrong with men in general. After they talk, she leaves calm. On her way home she realizes that maybe her long time friend is what she is actually in dire need of to start the relationship she so desperately wants.
    On their next meeting, she begins to flirt with him and he seeing this asks her what the issue is. She tells him how she needed a man like him and wants to take a chance on a relationship. He knows that she is way out of his league and that he could never make her happy in that light as well. There is also the fact she is on the rebound so he tells her that it would not work out and things should just remain the same.
    She is determined that he is the right guy and begins seeking counsel from her friends that are similar to her and she is mocked for even thinking about it. After this she begins to seek help from a dating advice column.
    On the other side his friends find out about the pass she made and are calling him an idiot because he passed on an opportunity to be with a woman of her caliber. He however, is holding his ground that she was just confused and she would realize it before it went anywhere.
    So let me know what you think and I’ll help with dialogue and situations that we can place these characters in.

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    After following your thread, here is how I would present the script treatment:
    The Head Advice Vixen (E.Jean) has been comfortably coasting along with a successful writing career and chairing a website of fellow vixens, mainly for ‘fun and amusement’, but the with U.S. economical disaster her advice arenas have become swamped with desperate people. Very quickly E finds herself overwhelmed with dire situations needing constructive and supportive advice. So E pulls the vixens into a tight circle to cull backup in her attempt to stay ahead of the fast rising tide of anxious seekers. She has always played her modern ‘Dear Abby’ role with humor and tongue-in-cheek seriousness, but now is panicking with self-doubt as to whether she really has the ability to coach people with serious problems in desperate times. Her primary goal is to help anyone who seeks help to make good decisions and become their own success stories. With each inquiry, she seeks out other vixens for opinions and to act as sounding boards as she brainstorms a response (visualize a Sex in the City cast luncheon). The problems coming in from the public have grown from the simple “my husband leaves the toilet seat up” to complicated relationship issues compounded by extreme financial disasters. Ms. E has to expand her areas of expertise and become a Dr. Phil mixed with Susie Orman, Miss Manners and a little Simon Cowell (just a little, for the occasional necessary reality check).
    Perhaps the timid guy in Andrew’s story is one who writes for advice on “how to transcend my lack of confidence in order to approach the woman of my dreams”; to which the vixens encourage him to watch carefully for an opportune moment to muster the nerve and make an honest comment (as opposed to using a great come-on line from the pages of Playboy). And we watch that scene play out where her positive (and a little too forward) response helps to create an interaction experience he never dreamed possible. And maybe he wasn’t really ready for that which he desired...
    In fact, it might be interesting to see the majority of letters coming from men (to upset the usual ‘chick flick’ storyline formula). Other scenes could include the small town girl who moves to NYC and becomes a small player in a group of Type A movers and shakers; and with encouragement from the vixens she takes a chance and becomes a force to be reaconed with (as in the story suggestion by Amy).
    In the midst of dealing with all the problems E has doubts about her own ability and relies on fellow vixens for support and encouragement. They have comic moments of witty banter and heartwarming moments of personal examination and growth. Through the vixen meetings we learn personal aspects of all their lives and what drives them in this social experiment. And we see the problems coming in from readers/listeners and, following vixen committee suggestions, we see what happens when the reader/listener acts on the advice or decides against it and follows their own instincts. The underlying realization is what Miss Beth suggested -- “We're ALL dysfunctional”.
    So who are we to give advice to anyone? But we do because we are all connected and want mutual success and happiness for each other. In the end Ms. E. triumphs and perhaps solves her biggest obstacle whether it be relationship difficulties or personal business success...or finally getting her irritating mother into a locked nursing home! (played by Cloris Leachman ;-)


    -Roby

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    Andrew Hunt wrote: Hmm...well we have to consider the plot versus what it is actually 'about'. If it is a movie based on romance; The stakes have to be high. So, there needs to be something like a time limit - someone falls for someone who is dying, the world is about to end, or something is restricting the romance (like in Romeo and Juliet) It could take place in a retirement home. I know major block busters are quite ageist. But in art, you're allowed to make a love movie about senior citizens.

    Now that is an upper...
    How did Cacoon do?
    Grandma Verna just went
    To an assisted
    Living
    Mom and Dad and grandma
    Were having lunch in the main dining
    Room (salmon patties)
    And a lady joined them
    ' why you look like you are 35!'
    She says to my Mom.
    Was she wearing diapers
    I joked
    As a matter
    Of fact she was.
    Thinking to myself
    Doesn't that negate the compliment?
    Ps -i was one of the first...
    Who are all these people?


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    j wrote: After following your thread, here is how I would present the script treatment: The Head Advice Vixen (E.Jean) has been comfortably coasting along with a successful writing career and chairing a website of fellow vixens, mainly for ‘fun and amusement’, but the with U.S. economical disaster her advice arenas have become swamped with desperate people. Very quickly E finds herself overwhelmed with dire situations needing constructive and supportive advice. So E pulls the vixens into a tight circle to cull backup in her attempt to stay ahead of the fast rising tide of anxious seekers. She has always played her modern ‘Dear Abby’ role with humor and tongue-in-cheek seriousness, but now is panicking with self-doubt as to whether she really has the ability to coach people with serious problems in desperate times. Her primary goal is to help anyone who seeks help to make good decisions and become their own success stories. With each inquiry, she seeks out other vixens for opinions and to act as sounding boards as she brainstorms a response (visualize a Sex in the City cast luncheon). The problems coming in from the public have grown from the simple “my husband leaves the toilet seat up” to complicated relationship issues compounded by extreme financial disasters. Ms. E has to expand her areas of expertise and become a Dr. Phil mixed with Susie Orman, Miss Manners and a little Simon Cowell (just a little, for the occasional necessary reality check). Perhaps the timid guy in Andrew’s story is one who writes for advice on “how to transcend my lack of confidence in order to approach the woman of my dreams”; to which the vixens encourage him to watch carefully for an opportune moment to muster the nerve and make an honest comment (as opposed to using a great come-on line from the pages of Playboy). And we watch that scene play out where her positive (and a little too forward) response helps to create an interaction experience he never dreamed possible. And maybe he wasn’t really ready for that which he desired... In fact, it might be interesting to see the majority of letters coming from men (to upset the usual ‘chick flick’ storyline formula). Other scenes could include the small town girl who moves to NYC and becomes a small player in a group of Type A movers and shakers; and with encouragement from the vixens she takes a chance and becomes a force to be reaconed with (as in the story suggestion by Amy). In the midst of dealing with all the problems E has doubts about her own ability and relies on fellow vixens for support and encouragement. They have comic moments of witty banter and heartwarming moments of personal examination and growth. Through the vixen meetings we learn personal aspects of all their lives and what drives them in this social experiment. And we see the problems coming in from readers/listeners and, following vixen committee suggestions, we see what happens when the reader/listener acts on the advice or decides against it and follows their own instincts. The underlying realization is what Miss Beth suggested -- “We're ALL dysfunctional”. So who are we to give advice to anyone? But we do because we are all connected and want mutual success and happiness for each other. In the end Ms. E. triumphs and perhaps solves her biggest obstacle whether it be relationship difficulties or personal business success...or finally getting her irritating mother into a locked nursing home! (played by Cloris Leachman ;-) -Roby

    E is many things
    Mostly good
    Doubtful though?
    Nope...
    Hasn't life
    And love
    Always been
    Complicated?

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    Casey wrote: Hello. So this is my first post and first visit to this site, and this thread was a bit frantic to try to catch up on, but here goes my take. I see a young woman (24-27, and for the purpose of this post I'll call her Kate) who just had a best selling book. The movie starts off with her first stop on her book tour. She's taking a Q&A section. She wrote a story about a writer who fell in love with someone who she saw every day for a year at a coffee shop, but who she never saw because she went there to write her novel. And when the character stopped going to write her novel, the man came to her house one day, and love ensued through the normal turmoil. Kait is uknown so the first questions are general things about her. Finally, they lead to some questions about the book. Kait shows her passion for the book, writing, her story, her love of writing, her literacy, her charisma, but then the last question reveals something else about her. "Is this work based on something that happened in your life?" For that moment she just laughs it off, makes a side comment, "Oh no no. I've never been in love, and I don't much like coffee shops for writing." But the question and her answer would hang with her. She gets more success as she moves around the country, but it only feels to shine on how empty her life feels. She's spent most of her life trying to create something. Trying to be a writer. Thinking that the cost of that kind of life - the price of being an artist - was that you gave those things up to make other people feel them instead. Then she meets an actor while she's in LA on the set of a tonight show.(I'm not sold on this part. What kind of guy should it be? Should it be an older male college student? Another writer? A politician? They should have money. They should be intelligent. Be able to challenge her.) At first it's just little chatter. A polite smile. But then he looks at her and asks, "Is it true?" "Is what true?" "You've never loved?" "No..." "So you spend your whole life working on this novel all about love, and you've never felt it for yourself? The quick sensation of blood pumping, the way the world starts to spin, and how completely fucked it is?" And he moves closer and closer with each word. Okay, I'm getting verbose. But the story would work out into her feeling this void in her growing. And the publishing company wants another book while her first book is being made into a movie. And the same actor that challenged her at the tonight show is picked in the lead row. So she meets him again, while she's struggling to write the new book, and in the end it's only when she can feel what loves like with him can she finish the novel. So yeah... my two cents.

    I like
    You or it
    Or something

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    Betsy wrote: I'm looking for a job. I got laid off from a magazine job in December. I don't have time to read all the posts, but I've got an idea. If you use my idea, do I get a big chunk of the money? That would be awfully nice. Here it is: To be timely/of our times/current, I think it would be a road movie of a bunch of Obama supporters. Girls and guys. They are committed, intense, self-involved, self-righteous, and therefore funny. It would be a comedy of inter-campaign office romances. There would be a main couple -- sort of like the most popular in college -- with lots of jockeying for position and nasty politics all as they are espousing honesty, compassion, straight-shooting to voters. Whadeya think?

    We know how the story ends -
    But interesting idea
    How about a figure like E
    Her career highs
    And lows
    She is a hay seed
    Who had mostly
    Terrible grades
    Like einstein
    But she has
    Spunk
    And verve
    And becomes
    A prolific writer
    Especially adventure
    Travel writing
    She falls in
    Love with a native savage
    In the star mountains
    It was all
    Because of
    Love bugs
    Has a marriage
    With him
    Its not legal though
    Why
    Because the ceremony
    Was performed
    By a dog...


    How she started
    The dating
    Commerce phen.
    And AV would
    Be a small spotlight
    She runs for president
    For President
    Wonder how it ends?

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    She is played by
    Taylor Swift
    Instead of
    Winning
    Cheerleader
    USA
    She wins
    American idol
    Or similar
    In her younger
    Days

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    he sees her across the Ledson Lobby
    She is reading alone
    And doesn't notice
    Him
    Well she does notice
    The big whig wine
    Dynasty family
    Familiarly greeting
    Him
    She has a movie to catch
    And gets up to
    Go
    He times the exit and
    Walks with her
    You are beautiful
    Your red hair...
    Are you - Irish?
    No- Danish
    ' you hide yourself
    Cover your beauty'
    I do?
    Your name?
    Sabrina
    Yours?
    Heinz
    He grabs her hand
    And kisses it
    Softly
    Can I buy you a drink?
    I have a date...in the theatre
    I am meeting
    Him now

    Heavens to Betsy
    Was Heinz
    their car mechanic?
    How very Sabrinaish
    Movieish...

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    I'm In. I will write to my hearts content. What do you want first...characters......plot....story line....anything you want I will send. Some great idea's up here I already see. We can take off from anywhere. We need to agree on one direction and go from there. Tell me what you need or I will be satisfied flinging ideas at you everyday!! :)

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    I’ve got a great idea for a screen play. Great story line. Relevant to today's events, a little romance, a strong female and male lead, with some great family thrown in along with some powerful action. Wonderful soundtrack idea…… triumphant ending. Good all around. Are we looking merely for a chick flick, or something for everyone to enjoy?

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    Colleen wrote: I’ve got a great idea for a screen play. Great story line. Relevant to today's events, a little romance, a strong female and male lead, with some great family thrown in along with some powerful action. Wonderful soundtrack idea…… triumphant ending. Good all around. Are we looking merely for a chick flick, or something for everyone to enjoy?

    Welcome Colleen!

    We are heavy into character development at the moment - already have a basis for the story idea. Look a Pauls recent question for a brief synopsis on the movie. Lots of theads under the "Screenplay" heading that have lots of good ideas that need embelleshing.

    Glad to have you on board!

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    Sam-I-am wrote: Welcome Colleen! We are heavy into character development at the moment - already have a basis for the story idea. Look a Pauls recent question for a brief synopsis on the movie. Lots of theads under the "Screenplay" heading that have lots of good ideas that need embelleshing. Glad to have you on board!

    Ok..I admitt it iam already lost. Can you point me in the right direction? Can't find Pauls recent question for a synopisis or the the threads under the "screenplay" heading. Love to help embellish and have great ideas......but need some help getting there. I'm not dumb, just new to this site. Help!

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    Look under the "screenplay" category on the far right for all threads pertaining to it.

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    just a thought, pornstar who falls in love.
    or is that too dark for you guys' liking?

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    Sabrina wrote: he sees her across the Ledson Lobby She is reading alone And doesn't notice Him Well she does notice The big whig wine Dynasty family Familiarly greeting Him She has a movie to catch And gets up to Go He times the exit and Walks with her You are beautiful Your red hair... Are you - Irish? No- Danish ' you hide yourself Cover your beauty' I do? Your name? Sabrina Yours? Heinz He grabs her hand And kisses it Softly Can I buy you a drink? I have a date...in the theatre I am meeting Him now Heavens to Betsy Was Heinz their car mechanic? How very Sabrinaish Movieish...

    This is really how it went:

    Same thing but
    "Your red hair"
    yes she giggles nervously
    It is from a bottle
    (why did I say that?-stupid)

    "Your red hair"
    ok Heinz you said that already
    you are starting to freak me out

    I love red hair.
    Ok-that is enough.

    Heinz-you have no idea how much
    you spiced up a gals marriage!

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    Story based on
    1. Seperations (relationship break ups/some one passing away/loosing memories)
    2. three different couples with different seperations(un-sure of ages difference/nationaliies yet)
    3. While all seperations are happening to couples/families, somehow they are all connected in somehow.
    -Love actually was a happy ending by people finding a love(mostly)
    -in this one, maybe we can let the charactors finds "Real meaning of living" by seperation...

    what do you think?


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    She meets the ' flying dutchman '
    At
    The Stardust Art Studio
    He shows her his collection
    Of rocks and gems
    Some from the top
    Of Shasta (Mt.)
    Green shimmer beauties
    Gold inside says he.
    Pick a color.
    I say Pink (that sounds dumb I confide)
    Close your eyes.
    ' what color do you see ? '


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    White or Black (not really a color to myself)
    Red!!
    He smiles and walks to the
    Plate of Rocks
    ' Here is a red Rock for you '
    It is the only red rock
    Among dozens
    It is beautiful
    A sort of triangle
    Pyramid
    With a white striation
    One third from
    The top
    What is your real name?
    Leo
    Of course!
    Leo is building a tail
    In the bubbling creek
    The beavers blocked prior
    Now the tail
    Of boulders
    Glistens in the light

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    One of the charaters
    Daddy paid for a pricy
    ' good name '
    College for reaLly
    Rich and maybe smart people
    She buys a villa
    After school and opens
    A Friesan school
    For horses
    She has no
    Sense of humor
    And rarely smiles
    She tacks up a
    Plastic
    ' The Villa '

    She trains horses.
    She is married to an
    Esquire who works in
    San Francisco

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    One of the charaters
    Daddy paid for a pricy
    ' good name '
    College for reaLly
    Rich and maybe smart people
    She buys a villa
    After school and opens
    A Friesan school
    For horses
    She has no
    Sense of humor
    And rarely smiles
    She tacks up a
    Plastic
    ' The Villa '

    She trains horses.
    She is married to an
    Esquire who works in
    San Francisco

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    So the family tree.
    The girl who was adopted into the poor artist family finds out...she has roots that go back to the revolution. Maybe even the Poor family from Standard and Poor.
    Mingled with the Washingtons and such.
    Fairly famous names - not Mayflower people mind you. They are a dime a dozen.
    Does this change her life? No, but the DNA (the bearing) has always been present.
    Some have recognized it before her.
    Maybe it was better she was adopted into the other family at two years old. You see, some families are better at love and nurturing than others.

    She knows little of her biological father. He had a cat named 'sonata greenleaf' and a german shepard named 'Camelot.'
    He went to Mexico City University and learned Spanish - immersion style (Social Worker degree). Married a Castillian woman.
    Named his daughter after the play
    Sabrina Fair.

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    Oh found this marvelous poem:

    When baby was sick, we gave her Castoria
    When she was a child, she cried for Castoria
    When she became a Miss, she clung to Castoria
    When she had children, she gave them Castoria.

    I think it is about Boston People or Wellesley or Horatio Hollis Honnewell - but not sure.

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    Jack London built the Wolf House
    This House Will Stand For One Thousand Years
    It stood for one week
    Cumbustable Rags
    Oh the best laid plans go aray
    Sometimes

    One of my friends says to her husband
    I am not Charlemain!!
    Just a tad too adventurous for me,
    Love

    She did take a rock from the Wolf House
    to Unblock her Writers Block
    It really seems to work...

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    What about a screenplay about a young girl in highschool. She could be new to the school as a junior. She takes advice from everyone. Her father, aunt, friends, and no matter who she takes the advice from, it gets her into trouble. Through many mistakes she finally realizes she should just trust in her own voice and not look to everyone else for advice. I'm writing a fictional novel about this very plot but I wanted to share it to see what you all thought.

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    What about a screenplay about a young girl in highschool. She could be new to the school as a junior. She takes advice from everyone. Her father, aunt, friends, and no matter who she takes the advice from, it gets her into trouble. Through many mistakes she finally realizes she should just trust in her own voice and not look to everyone else for advice. I'm writing a fictional novel about this very plot but I wanted to share it to see what you all thought.

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    Shannon wrote: What about a screenplay about a young girl in highschool. She could be new to the school as a junior. She takes advice from everyone. Her father, aunt, friends, and no matter who she takes the advice from, it gets her into trouble. Through many mistakes she finally realizes she should just trust in her own voice and not look to everyone else for advice. I'm writing a fictional novel about this very plot but I wanted to share it to see what you all thought.

    It's brilliant, Miss Shannon.

    Careful what you share on the internet. :)

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    I would like to see a movie about therapists in their own therapy sessions delving into their own dysfunctions and work issues... an ensemble cast.

    Or even strong anti-stereotypical women in therapy... like a woman going to law school at the age of 50. Or a wife dissatisfied by her husband that spends all his time on "Second Life." A young lady with a baby,a husband that suffers from Aspergers who never wants to socialize and refuses to go to couples' therapy... so she goes by herself. A female lobbyist that struggles with her own moral issues, yet wants to pursue her career. A woman that ends up in sessions after trying every self-help book published, every Chinese herb, and her friends are ready to block her phone number. The Cinderella movies are played out... I would like to see more relatable situations.

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